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What I've been really groking on is how to avoid endless abstractions when you give complete task control to an endless loop.

Been running a bunch of variations on a custom minimalist mutli-agent harness loop. I've tried different variations of it from managing itself (different hierarchies) versus using Claw, Hermes, CC as the orchestrator of the agent loops, tried variations on prompt structure and language use...

It always seems like, as the loops progress over time and as the loops are increasingly tasked with creating tasks, the loops inevitably seem to spiral into abstraction.

Versus if I remain in the loop at _some_ minimum level, which works like magic.

There's certainly a memory aspect to it, but I suspect what I may be missing is something deeper than that, because I see the abstractionation beginning to occur so early on that the sum total of the documentation and code up to that point wouldn't even exceed 50% of the available context window...

Lately I've been playing with less structure because it feels like the act of abstracting the loop in the task process, project management, document management... as if the more rigorously it's defined, the more likely the workloops spiral into abstraction over _some_ number of self-directed loops.

There may be something about introducing some kind of meta-orchestrating level. Let's say work agent as say layer 0, the orchestrator at 1, there seems be a layer 2 agent needed to coordinate across blocks of loops to correct for abstraction.

For context, I am doing a lot of endless loop work to try and reimagine some of the core comp sci privatives. So that certainly would lend itself to bias towards abstraction despite the focus on code as progress I try to embue but I've also seen it on much simpler tests I've run on making website or simple app type development etc.

It feels a bit like the post inference problem of attention...

Its definitely super fun to be working on, if anyone has any thoughts or links, that would be sweet.

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